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Dave
I'm really considering buying a Prius because me and my family have been scraping pennies to put gas in the tank these days. My moms Ford Taurus just ran out of gas the other day and that was the last straw for me. We are dumping around 30 bucks a week of our hard earned cash into that car, and enough is enough. I don't know much about hybrids or electric cars so I want to know how many years can I get out of the battery in the Prius before it needs to be replaced? Especially since i'm looking at a few used 2010 Prius' with around 37-47k miles on them. Are they low maintenance? What kind of gas savings can I expect to get? I just need reliable, low cost transportation back and forth to school.
And I know there is an 8 year/100,000 mile warranty but will the battery last longer than that? I don't want to be replacing a battery every 8 years.
Answer
The mean time between failures for the 2004+ Prius traction battery isn't really known because not enough Prius have reached 300,000 to 400,000 miles yet. There are Prius owners with over 400,000 miles on the original battery. For Prius owners, the traction battery is a non-issue, similar to how an automatic transmission is a non-issue to old fashioned car drivers. The replacement price isn't that high and has been going down every years. It's under $2000 plus $500 installation for a new battery.
http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2012/TOYOTA/PRIUS/?siteid=213747&vehicleid=1503615§ion=HYBRID%20COMPONENTS
Or you can get rebuilt batteries from companies like http://www.re-involt.com/ (Though right now they really only do 2001-2003 Prius batteries because there haven't been enough 2004+ batteries fail. Note that the 2001-2003 use the older style batteries which don't dissipate heat as evenly). Over half the 2001-2003 Prius with the older style battery are still on the original battery, so I wouldn't put all that much faith in statements like "only lasts ten years". Also GM doesn't use the same chemistry as Toyota. GM uses LiOn while Toyota uses NiMH. (Toyota does use LiOn but only in the plug-in-prius).
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/hybrids-prove-very-reliable-1.599754
You can also obtain a battery from a newer wreck for about $500. So, just like an automatic transmission, there are many choices should it fail.
Battery life also depends on environmental conditions.
The Prius also has a small 12V auxiliary battery which lasts about five years.
2004 Prius MPG from the logbook. (Complete years only):
2003-2004 -- 50.8 mpg 17,628 miles
2005 -- 52.6 mpg 14,688 miles
2006 -- 56.3 mpg 16,174 miles
2007 -- 57.3 mpg 18,384 miles
2008 -- 59.9 mpg 21,755 miles
2009 -- 61.4 mpg 16,177 miles
2010 -- 65.2 mpg 12,134 miles
2011 -- 66.9 mpg 11,272 miles
The mean time between failures for the 2004+ Prius traction battery isn't really known because not enough Prius have reached 300,000 to 400,000 miles yet. There are Prius owners with over 400,000 miles on the original battery. For Prius owners, the traction battery is a non-issue, similar to how an automatic transmission is a non-issue to old fashioned car drivers. The replacement price isn't that high and has been going down every years. It's under $2000 plus $500 installation for a new battery.
http://www.trademotion.com/parts/2012/TOYOTA/PRIUS/?siteid=213747&vehicleid=1503615§ion=HYBRID%20COMPONENTS
Or you can get rebuilt batteries from companies like http://www.re-involt.com/ (Though right now they really only do 2001-2003 Prius batteries because there haven't been enough 2004+ batteries fail. Note that the 2001-2003 use the older style batteries which don't dissipate heat as evenly). Over half the 2001-2003 Prius with the older style battery are still on the original battery, so I wouldn't put all that much faith in statements like "only lasts ten years". Also GM doesn't use the same chemistry as Toyota. GM uses LiOn while Toyota uses NiMH. (Toyota does use LiOn but only in the plug-in-prius).
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/hybrids-prove-very-reliable-1.599754
You can also obtain a battery from a newer wreck for about $500. So, just like an automatic transmission, there are many choices should it fail.
Battery life also depends on environmental conditions.
The Prius also has a small 12V auxiliary battery which lasts about five years.
2004 Prius MPG from the logbook. (Complete years only):
2003-2004 -- 50.8 mpg 17,628 miles
2005 -- 52.6 mpg 14,688 miles
2006 -- 56.3 mpg 16,174 miles
2007 -- 57.3 mpg 18,384 miles
2008 -- 59.9 mpg 21,755 miles
2009 -- 61.4 mpg 16,177 miles
2010 -- 65.2 mpg 12,134 miles
2011 -- 66.9 mpg 11,272 miles
when do you expect the last generation of pure gas/diesel engine car be produced?
Eric C
2020? 2030?
the non-hybrid, non-electric, non-alternative feul, pure gas/diesel burning car be last made?
Answer
Well cars are being designed right now up to 2015, and there is a mandated all cars combined in a makes fleet must get 35 mpg by 2020.
I think they will be produced for a very long time.
Why? Well:
1. So far they are cheap to produce compared to other methods at the moment. In other countries there are alreayd microcars made by even chevy that get 40 mpg, but look like the smart car.
2. The hybrid technology can be applied to these microcars to get 70-100 mpg on gas. People would not complain about $5/gallon if you only put about 5 gallons in your tank at fill-up.
3. These pure microcars will be appealing to poor people, who can trade there old 20-30 mpg car and be able to afford a $10k brand new microcar that gets 45-50mpg without the hybrid technology.
4. Oil companies wont let people look away from them, as long as we use oil, they make money. Producing cars that do not use oil would kill them, so I am sure they will be spending money to make sure oil stays on ours minds.
5. Gas is already $8-$10 a gallon in Europe. They are driving the same cars we are.
When hydrogen technology, or fusion technology has a breakthrough then we will start to look away from gas powered cars. Until then, its really the only choice we have.
Well cars are being designed right now up to 2015, and there is a mandated all cars combined in a makes fleet must get 35 mpg by 2020.
I think they will be produced for a very long time.
Why? Well:
1. So far they are cheap to produce compared to other methods at the moment. In other countries there are alreayd microcars made by even chevy that get 40 mpg, but look like the smart car.
2. The hybrid technology can be applied to these microcars to get 70-100 mpg on gas. People would not complain about $5/gallon if you only put about 5 gallons in your tank at fill-up.
3. These pure microcars will be appealing to poor people, who can trade there old 20-30 mpg car and be able to afford a $10k brand new microcar that gets 45-50mpg without the hybrid technology.
4. Oil companies wont let people look away from them, as long as we use oil, they make money. Producing cars that do not use oil would kill them, so I am sure they will be spending money to make sure oil stays on ours minds.
5. Gas is already $8-$10 a gallon in Europe. They are driving the same cars we are.
When hydrogen technology, or fusion technology has a breakthrough then we will start to look away from gas powered cars. Until then, its really the only choice we have.
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