What will be done with electric car batteries when they can no longer be recharged?

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PoppaJ

The hype around electric cars is about what a boon to the environment they will be. But, after we've had thousands of electric cars on the road for a few years, what do we do with the NiMH batteries which cease to take a charge about 2 years after manufacture?

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Chevy,... then you know a guy in India who is a fool in the desert as Toyota offers $200 for each salvaged Prius battery pack. There is even a telephone number on the pack. http://www.hybridcars.com/cars.html Perhaps he is putting it in the ground hoping it will grow?

The warranty on Volt and Leaf battery packs is now 8 years or 100,000 miles. The NiMh batteries in the Prius had a warranty for 10 years/ 150,000 miles. Whoever told you 2 years was either misinformed or pulling your leg. They could easily last more than twice that long and have been good in fleet use to at least 150,000.

Electric and to a lessor extent hybrid batteries like the Prius need to have a high energy density by weight. (You want to carry the biggest charge in exchange for the amount of weight you will have to move around.) A high energy density by weight means more range for the vehicle. At the end of its useful life in an EV the pack will have degraded to 70 or 80% of its original rating. At this point the battery continues to have use as a stationary storage battery where weight is not an issue. In another 8 to 20 years the battery may no longer have use as a battery, but it contains valuable elements that are sure to be recycled.

We might compare this to lead acid batteries which contain cheap elements and are more than 95% recycled. Chevron held the patent rights to the NM-HI battery and for years refused to allow them to be put in a BEV. ( http://evworld.com/blogs/index.cfm?authorid=51&blogid=104&archive=1 ) They were only permitted in hybrids and all the hybrids used them. As a result almost all future EV will use a battery chemistry based upon Lithium.

Who will be the first automaker to create a 100 mpg car which is NOT full electric or hygrogen and when?

Hartley De

Hybrids are included in this question, but I am aware that Tesla and Phoenix (and a few others) already produce electric cars which can travel over 100 miles without a charge. This question is centered on the innovation of the gasoline powered auto industry.

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Five electronic and automotive engrs last week have shown
trials of a car in India which can run 245 miles on 1 ltr and
they r bringing it to Detroit to show some run trials.

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Can a decent electric car or truck conversion be made using a 9.8kw gas/generator with batteries?

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Philip

I read about it in an old Mother Earth news (1993?) The car was mainly powered by the gen. The batteries would only kick-in for hills, boost of power, etc. I am interested in this design, anyone know if it works well? Can I use a 480volt 3ph gen-set to power motor/Drive for more efficiency/power? I already know about the volt,prius,leaf.

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On the web a few years ago, and this was ultimately sold on Ebay; was a Geo metro that was modified to run strictly on a 10 horsepower/7500 KW Lister clone/"Listeroid" Diesel engine imported from India.

On a level surface, it could get to 55 Mph/88KPH if you did not mind the slow acceleration. Going up hill it would slow down considerably. They ran it with WVO and did better than 75 MPG.

If you stick with a lightweight car, or light small pickup truck like a Chevy Luv, or similar vintage Mazda or Datsun, you could see reasonable results. You would have tradeoffs to consider as well, since batteries are heavy.

Options to consider for your use- Aircraft starter generators for the drive motors. Diesel as your fuel for your genset. If you opt for one that has limited external monitoring circuitry, that will lighten the load some.

What's the most earth friendly car on the market today? Also is there any solar powered cars in the works yet?

shoes are

I think that having solar powered cars would be amazing you hear about people trying to make them possible and then the idea just fades away. I guess that would be a big upset for the gas company's or maybe it's just impossible.... Any why, what is the most earth friendly car on the market right now and what is it powered by?

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A problem with solar is the energy conversion is so low that to be affective the cells must be put into huge frames on large land areas. These are solar farms that convert the Sun's energy into electricity.
The most earth friendly vehicle is made in India and are used as delivery trucks. They run on compressed air. Here in the states, a complete electric car that can travel 200 miles on a charge is called a Tesla sports car and costs over $100,000. Here is the problem, it runs quietly and efficiently on electricity but where does this power come from? Much of our electricity comes from heavily polluting coal generators. See the problem?

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What's the most earth friendly car on the market today? Also is there any solar powered cars in the works yet?

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shoes are

I think that having solar powered cars would be amazing you hear about people trying to make them possible and then the idea just fades away. I guess that would be a big upset for the gas company's or maybe it's just impossible.... Any why, what is the most earth friendly car on the market right now and what is it powered by?

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A problem with solar is the energy conversion is so low that to be affective the cells must be put into huge frames on large land areas. These are solar farms that convert the Sun's energy into electricity.
The most earth friendly vehicle is made in India and are used as delivery trucks. They run on compressed air. Here in the states, a complete electric car that can travel 200 miles on a charge is called a Tesla sports car and costs over $100,000. Here is the problem, it runs quietly and efficiently on electricity but where does this power come from? Much of our electricity comes from heavily polluting coal generators. See the problem?

Don't you think obama wants the gas price to go up so we buy his green energy junk?

Self-Hatin

Because even with massive subsidies, all of these "green energy' firms are still going out of business and we are losing billions. Now if gas is so expensive that we can no longer afford it (because of his offshore drilling halt and stoppage of the Keystone pipeline) we might actually be force to buy one of his crappy electric cars that go 20 miles to a charge.

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Green energy will not be plentiful for about a decade. So wanting that and risking his own reelection does not make sense. As to your other points, offshore drilling is not stopped, in fact it has doubled. The Keystone pipeline had serious safety and pollution problems plus the oil in the pipeline was never intended to be used in the US. The Canadians themselves nixed building the pipeline to their west coast because of pollution concerns and the US route was their plan B. The pipeline goes to a international trade zone at Port Arthur, Tx where it is to be loaded on tankers and sold to India and China who pay more for oil. In reality, the largest exported product in the US is gasoline in which we have a surplus, the rise in gas prices are a sham. Those all electric cars are getting over 200 miles (I believe 250+) miles per charge. The hybrid cars get less because the gas engine takes up space and weight that would normally go to batteries. In both cases, that number of miles would support most commuter trips to work and back. z

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Why is the 0bama administration using the EPA to shut down the coal industry ?

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I teabagge

Which powers the majority of electrical power plants, while at the same time pushing electric cars (with tax payer dollars) that need to be powered by those plants they are closing down.
With the new EPA standards, the coal industry says there will never be another coal power plant built, thus costing hundreds of thousands of jobs.
While at the same time China and India are opening a new coal plant every week.
Guess their jobs are more important to the 0bama administration than American jobs.

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Methyl mercury.

Why tata is failing to produce nano as an electric car?

Vishnu !

I think nano could become a boon for indian environment as well as economy if tata nano is an electric car.

Why most of the indian car makers hesitate to produce electric-eco friendly cars except REVA?

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Because this car was made to reduce the production cost, if they do it it will be no longer the cheapest one on the market, and with this they are trying that every person in the world can buy one, that is way is called the people's car.

BUT, they actually will produce the e-Nano, the electrion version.

''The project has literally become India's claim-for-fame in the international-media due to Tata Motors' innovation in developing the car, as well as keeping it low in price. The car itself is expected to boost the Indian Economy, create entrepreneurial-opportunities across India[6][7], as well as expand the Indian car market by 65%[8]. The car was envisioned by renowned industrialist, Ratan Tata, Chairman of the Tata Group and Tata Motors, who has described it as an eco-friendly "people's car". Nano has been greatly appreciated by many sources and the media for its low-cost[9][10] and eco-friendly initiatives which include using compressed-air as fuel[11] and an electric-version (E-Nano)[12][13]. Tata Group is expected to mass-manufacture the Nano in very large quantities, particularly the electric-version, and, besides selling them in India, to also export them world-wide''

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