lachburke
I am booked on a flight on Alaska Airlines next year with my 1.5 year old. He is flying on a full fare adult ticket not a discounted infant fare (usually 1/2 price). Both our tickets are points tickets (Perth through to Vancouver on Qantas then Alaska AL). Qantas does not require a booster seat for children in their own seat, even if they are under 2 (ie. infants) so I was not planning on bringing a car seat as I am travelling alone and will have enough to carry as it is. I read on the Alaska AL website that "children travelling on 50% infant ticket seats must use a booster/car seat approved for car and air travel". I'm wondering, given that my son will be travelling on a full fare adult ticket whether he needs the booster seat? What will they do if I don't have one, not let us on the flight? Or, shall I just lie and say he's 2 - or just board the flight with him in his own seat w/out booster and they will assume is is two and not longer an infant and therefore no booster required.
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My 6-year-old has now flown on 242 flights and my 2-year-old on 40 flights. Mostly on Alaska Airlines so I have a bit of experience with this.
As a lap baby (unpaid), you definitely don't need a car seat. Some airlines like Northwest are real pricks about not allowing you to use one even on a flight with lots of empty seats. Whereas Alaska is one of the most baby-friendly airlines we've used and will let you use an empty seat for a car seat even though you paid nothing. I'll reserve a window-aisle combo (leaving an empty middle seat) towards the back of the plane to increase the chance of getting a free empty seat. IF someone does buy the seat between, they ALWAYS want to get out from between mother-child or mother-father passing a baby back and forth.
Without a carseat, you will need to have them in your lap for take-off and landing. They might want you to pick them up during possible turbulance as well. What you propose is no different than the unpaid lap baby who has an empty seat next to them. I can't imagine the flight attendents caring except during take-off and landing and then, (despite the physics involved), Mom's arms suffice. (or a car seat)
But I would reconsider your plan. Again, I've done this A LOT, and we try hard to BRING the car seat, not leave it or check it. Of course the car seat is safest in a crash, but Quantas has never had a crash and Alaska only loses planes about once every 20 years. More importantly, a child can sleep in a car seat much easier because it is sloped and their head is suported on both sides. And your arms will get TIRED of holding him for 18 hours of flight time. And if he gets into a total screaming, kicking fit about being overtired, jet-lagged, etc, you can strap him and pop in a pacificer. For some kids, being secured down helps at times. Sure, it is one more thing to schlepp through the airport, but you could always use a rental cart for $3 or call for one of those electric carts the old folks use. At 1.5 years old, I'd bring a Baby Bjorn front carrier so you can have him on your chest and leave your two hands free. One for the car seat and one to present tickets, passports, etc.
For your carry-on, use a backpack/rucksack. Baby in front, backpack behind, car seat on one arm, one hand free. I've gone through many airports and countries that way. So has my wife. Yeah, it is easier with two adults, but doable as one.
Try hard to save nursing or a bottle for climb-out and, less so, descent. The swallowing helps clear his ear pressure.
Theoretically, they can ask to see a US FAA approval sticker for airplane use on the carseat (they all have it), but any nation's approval ought to fly. And Alaska doesn't check all that often.
You'll need a car seat to drive with him in Alaska until he is 4 years or 40 pounds. And while airplanes rarely hit moose, cars and taxis do.
My 6-year-old has now flown on 242 flights and my 2-year-old on 40 flights. Mostly on Alaska Airlines so I have a bit of experience with this.
As a lap baby (unpaid), you definitely don't need a car seat. Some airlines like Northwest are real pricks about not allowing you to use one even on a flight with lots of empty seats. Whereas Alaska is one of the most baby-friendly airlines we've used and will let you use an empty seat for a car seat even though you paid nothing. I'll reserve a window-aisle combo (leaving an empty middle seat) towards the back of the plane to increase the chance of getting a free empty seat. IF someone does buy the seat between, they ALWAYS want to get out from between mother-child or mother-father passing a baby back and forth.
Without a carseat, you will need to have them in your lap for take-off and landing. They might want you to pick them up during possible turbulance as well. What you propose is no different than the unpaid lap baby who has an empty seat next to them. I can't imagine the flight attendents caring except during take-off and landing and then, (despite the physics involved), Mom's arms suffice. (or a car seat)
But I would reconsider your plan. Again, I've done this A LOT, and we try hard to BRING the car seat, not leave it or check it. Of course the car seat is safest in a crash, but Quantas has never had a crash and Alaska only loses planes about once every 20 years. More importantly, a child can sleep in a car seat much easier because it is sloped and their head is suported on both sides. And your arms will get TIRED of holding him for 18 hours of flight time. And if he gets into a total screaming, kicking fit about being overtired, jet-lagged, etc, you can strap him and pop in a pacificer. For some kids, being secured down helps at times. Sure, it is one more thing to schlepp through the airport, but you could always use a rental cart for $3 or call for one of those electric carts the old folks use. At 1.5 years old, I'd bring a Baby Bjorn front carrier so you can have him on your chest and leave your two hands free. One for the car seat and one to present tickets, passports, etc.
For your carry-on, use a backpack/rucksack. Baby in front, backpack behind, car seat on one arm, one hand free. I've gone through many airports and countries that way. So has my wife. Yeah, it is easier with two adults, but doable as one.
Try hard to save nursing or a bottle for climb-out and, less so, descent. The swallowing helps clear his ear pressure.
Theoretically, they can ask to see a US FAA approval sticker for airplane use on the carseat (they all have it), but any nation's approval ought to fly. And Alaska doesn't check all that often.
You'll need a car seat to drive with him in Alaska until he is 4 years or 40 pounds. And while airplanes rarely hit moose, cars and taxis do.
Traveling for spring break on the East Coast (March '07), need to know American History places I should visit.
Outdoors,
I would like to make this educational (American History) for my 4 kids as well as fun and still see the "must see" items that we are near; the kids are 16, 13, 9, and 4. We are going to fly from Utah to S. Carolina (we have family in York we need to visit) and travel up the coast in a rental car. We are planning to stop in DC, Philly, and New York but we've never been there and don't know how much time to plan. If it was just me I think I could spend the whole week in DC visiting museums but the kids would get bored with that. I heard a couple of hours in Philly to catch the independance hall and liberty bell and a half day in New York for the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island and then a drive through the city since we are there. Can anyone offer any more suggestions. Is Boston worth going to? Again, I am looking for American History while not boring the kids and any other great site that is close. We only have 5 days. Weather and any "must eat" places recommendations also.
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I will assume that you will be flying into and out of Charlotte I am going to give you some creative routings but promise you that I personally have driven all the roads I'm sending you down
Be aware of the fact that heavy snow falls can and often do occur in the first two or three weeks of march. The reason is that the tropics are warming up and the warm wet low coming up from the tropics collides with a still very cold high pressure canadian air mass and the result is of course snow, wet heavy snow at that. Check the weather and carry warm clothes
Begin your trip at the end , in this case Appomattox Va allow 5 hrs to get there and approx 1.5 hrs there
find US 29 out of Lynchburg and take that north to Charlottesville VA. Thomas Jeffersons house is the general idea and is located about 1.5 hrs from Appomattox . The visit to Monticello is by guided tour only and there is a tendency of the tour operators to rush you through the house so that the next tour can come in . You can however stroll the grounds at your leisure , visit slave row and TJ's grave.There is also the cost of $13.00 to consider [ that price allows them to give a two dollar bill as part of the change- I am serious]
Madison and Monroe lived close to Jefferson and on the other side of the mountain is Stanton Va , Woodrow Wilsons birth place and one of the of the great antebellum towns in America.
I am trying to get you to Frederick MD [ which has cheaper and more avalable hotels] via Skyline Drive /Front Royal/ Harpers Ferry WV
Harpers Ferry is worth the visit and in the area of Harpers Ferry and Frederick MD is bloody Antietam Battlefield
Day 2 will be devoted to Gettysburg and getting to NYC- sort of
It's a little over an hour from Frederick to Gettysburg allow at least 3 hours to tour the battlefield and let your kids climb the rocks at Big and Little Round Tops and Devils Den. Start your trip at the visitors center and take the time to view the electric map
It's 140 miles from Gettysburg to Philly via US 30/ 202/ I-76 and when you get in the area of King of Prussia - 202 and I -76 you will also be very close to Valley Forge just a thought
if you can leave Gettysburg by noon you can actually make beautiful downtown philadelphia in time to take in Independence hall
Check with The National Park Service for what time the attractions on the mall actually close
Day 2 should end with you spending the night within 40 miles of the Staten Island Ferry dock.
but not in Jersey City , Elizabeth or Newark NJ Perth Amboy is sort of OK. Since it's off season something down on the Jersey shore isn't a bad idea like Freehold- Springsteens home town. [This means using I-95 North out of Philly which is just to the east of the mall.]Find a place you like and spend 2 nights
Day 3 is devoted to NYC
Somehow get onto Staten Island and follow signs for the Verrazano bridge
The last exit before the bridge-Bay street- will take you north to the Staten Island ferry dock- The parking lot is one of those self pay types so you may need to get a roll of quarters before you park you car.Yes i did say park your car.
Park the car by the ferry dock and take the free Staten Island Ferry to the lower end of manhattan aka South Ferry- you will spend the rest of your time in manhattan either walking or using subways both of which are faster , safer and cheaper and actually less confusing than than driving. Trust me on this one I'm a native and spent over 20 years driving commercial vehicles in manhattan and surrounding areas.
When you get off the SI Ferry ,the ferry taking you to the Statue of Lliberty and Ellis Island is a couple of hundred yards in front of you and to your left The ferry goes from manhattan to the statue to ellis and then straight back to manhattan. I think that given all the restrictions concerning actually getting into the statue I would simply look at it from the boat and continue on to ellis.
When you get back to manhattan directly across the park from the ferry dock is federal style buildingwhich is located at the foot of Broadway . It is the old US Customs house. Carefully cross the street .When you walk inside to the left and the right are two of the most beautiful spiral staircases you will ever see-[ you have to go through more security to get into the building.]Looking uptown from the stairs of the customs house you will be looking across Bowling Green- yes our founding fathers actually bowled on it and beyond that you will see the famous wall street bull
continuing up broadway a very short way and slightly north of wall st you will come to a red sandstone church -Trinity
if you make a downhill left just before you reach the church proper you wiil see that Alexander Hamilton and Robert Fulton are buried next to each other.If you go back out to wall st and walk past the stock exchange some creative navigation will take you over to Fraunces Tavern of G. Washington fame. Continuing to the East River will take you over to South st. Seaport
If continue up broadway from Trinity around 140 Bwy [ liberty st] you will see a large open space to north and left of where you are standing. Two great buildings and many people once occupied that space. Look back at the blackness of 140 Bwy and then turn your gaze to a spot in the sky above that awful hole that is twice the height of 140 Bwy.
At this point you have some decisions to make about where to spend the rest of the day.
If you take the # 1 train from Chambers st and get off at the christopher St stop , cross 7th ave and go about 100 yds east on Bleeker st you will come to one of the top 5 greatest pizza places in NYC - Johns- they sell only whole pies and give you the option of buying soft drinks by the pitcher. The pies bake in a coal fired brick oven and come out blistering hot bubbling The pizza so good. For the rest of your life pizza will never be the same
Go back to the subway take the 1 to 59th st
change to the local A train uptown and get off at the Museum of Natural History stop
tour the museum until it closes and walk west across 81st [ which is the north side of the museum] 2 blocks to broadway, cross bwy and you will see an orange and white awning in front of you, underneath that awning is one of the greatest food stores in america; Zabars
if you're a foodie at all Zabars is heaven.
It is perfectly acceptable, indeed expected to ask a counterperson for a taste of something prior to buying it
of note almond croissants, smoked fish, bagels, rustic breads , cheeses a great take out counter and jams, coffees and mustards.
buy some things for your DC road trip
upstairs is high quality hard to find and a bit pricey cooking equipment.
dinner is at cafe napoli or pelligrinos in little italy
Take the # 1 train[ 79 th st ] down town
to 42 nd st / Times square change to the # 7 train to grand central and take the# 6 train to canal st & lafayette sts. Walk 1 block east to mulberry st and then north a block or two until you find your restaurant. watch out for imported bottled fizzy waters they tend to be expensive and NYC tap water is excellent and when you are offered a chef's special get the price before ordering it. as a rule NYC portions are large and splitting entrees is OK.
When you are sitting on Mulberry st having dinner think about the pictures you saw in Ellis Island about what mulberry st used to look like.
the 5 points of Gangs of NY fame are located about 1/2 mile south of where you are sitting.
finish dinner do not order dessert .walk around the neighborhood looking at and buying souveniers. walk over to Ferraras and have dessert.
hail a cab going downtown to the ferry and then back to your motel
by now you guys should be wiped out
Day 4 -somewhere in NJ to DC
the trip to DC should take you around 4-5 hrs depending upon weather and traffic you will need a full day and a half to see DC
in addition to the usual DC things a visit to the national cathederal in georgetown can be inspiring [ Woodrow Wilson is the only President buried in DC city limits. His crypt is on the main floor ]
i wish you had the time to go over to hampton roads/ new port news and then drive down cape hatteras past kill devil hills [of the Wright broters first flight fame ]
taking the ferry across haterras inlet and the one from ocracoke to the mainland- really nice drive - on a par with the drive from kanab to torrey in terms of beauty.
be careful and remember cruise control is great for small town driving.
BTW get in touch with the MTA[Metropolitan Transportation Authority ] in NYC for subway maps and same day multi- trip ticket info
I will assume that you will be flying into and out of Charlotte I am going to give you some creative routings but promise you that I personally have driven all the roads I'm sending you down
Be aware of the fact that heavy snow falls can and often do occur in the first two or three weeks of march. The reason is that the tropics are warming up and the warm wet low coming up from the tropics collides with a still very cold high pressure canadian air mass and the result is of course snow, wet heavy snow at that. Check the weather and carry warm clothes
Begin your trip at the end , in this case Appomattox Va allow 5 hrs to get there and approx 1.5 hrs there
find US 29 out of Lynchburg and take that north to Charlottesville VA. Thomas Jeffersons house is the general idea and is located about 1.5 hrs from Appomattox . The visit to Monticello is by guided tour only and there is a tendency of the tour operators to rush you through the house so that the next tour can come in . You can however stroll the grounds at your leisure , visit slave row and TJ's grave.There is also the cost of $13.00 to consider [ that price allows them to give a two dollar bill as part of the change- I am serious]
Madison and Monroe lived close to Jefferson and on the other side of the mountain is Stanton Va , Woodrow Wilsons birth place and one of the of the great antebellum towns in America.
I am trying to get you to Frederick MD [ which has cheaper and more avalable hotels] via Skyline Drive /Front Royal/ Harpers Ferry WV
Harpers Ferry is worth the visit and in the area of Harpers Ferry and Frederick MD is bloody Antietam Battlefield
Day 2 will be devoted to Gettysburg and getting to NYC- sort of
It's a little over an hour from Frederick to Gettysburg allow at least 3 hours to tour the battlefield and let your kids climb the rocks at Big and Little Round Tops and Devils Den. Start your trip at the visitors center and take the time to view the electric map
It's 140 miles from Gettysburg to Philly via US 30/ 202/ I-76 and when you get in the area of King of Prussia - 202 and I -76 you will also be very close to Valley Forge just a thought
if you can leave Gettysburg by noon you can actually make beautiful downtown philadelphia in time to take in Independence hall
Check with The National Park Service for what time the attractions on the mall actually close
Day 2 should end with you spending the night within 40 miles of the Staten Island Ferry dock.
but not in Jersey City , Elizabeth or Newark NJ Perth Amboy is sort of OK. Since it's off season something down on the Jersey shore isn't a bad idea like Freehold- Springsteens home town. [This means using I-95 North out of Philly which is just to the east of the mall.]Find a place you like and spend 2 nights
Day 3 is devoted to NYC
Somehow get onto Staten Island and follow signs for the Verrazano bridge
The last exit before the bridge-Bay street- will take you north to the Staten Island ferry dock- The parking lot is one of those self pay types so you may need to get a roll of quarters before you park you car.Yes i did say park your car.
Park the car by the ferry dock and take the free Staten Island Ferry to the lower end of manhattan aka South Ferry- you will spend the rest of your time in manhattan either walking or using subways both of which are faster , safer and cheaper and actually less confusing than than driving. Trust me on this one I'm a native and spent over 20 years driving commercial vehicles in manhattan and surrounding areas.
When you get off the SI Ferry ,the ferry taking you to the Statue of Lliberty and Ellis Island is a couple of hundred yards in front of you and to your left The ferry goes from manhattan to the statue to ellis and then straight back to manhattan. I think that given all the restrictions concerning actually getting into the statue I would simply look at it from the boat and continue on to ellis.
When you get back to manhattan directly across the park from the ferry dock is federal style buildingwhich is located at the foot of Broadway . It is the old US Customs house. Carefully cross the street .When you walk inside to the left and the right are two of the most beautiful spiral staircases you will ever see-[ you have to go through more security to get into the building.]Looking uptown from the stairs of the customs house you will be looking across Bowling Green- yes our founding fathers actually bowled on it and beyond that you will see the famous wall street bull
continuing up broadway a very short way and slightly north of wall st you will come to a red sandstone church -Trinity
if you make a downhill left just before you reach the church proper you wiil see that Alexander Hamilton and Robert Fulton are buried next to each other.If you go back out to wall st and walk past the stock exchange some creative navigation will take you over to Fraunces Tavern of G. Washington fame. Continuing to the East River will take you over to South st. Seaport
If continue up broadway from Trinity around 140 Bwy [ liberty st] you will see a large open space to north and left of where you are standing. Two great buildings and many people once occupied that space. Look back at the blackness of 140 Bwy and then turn your gaze to a spot in the sky above that awful hole that is twice the height of 140 Bwy.
At this point you have some decisions to make about where to spend the rest of the day.
If you take the # 1 train from Chambers st and get off at the christopher St stop , cross 7th ave and go about 100 yds east on Bleeker st you will come to one of the top 5 greatest pizza places in NYC - Johns- they sell only whole pies and give you the option of buying soft drinks by the pitcher. The pies bake in a coal fired brick oven and come out blistering hot bubbling The pizza so good. For the rest of your life pizza will never be the same
Go back to the subway take the 1 to 59th st
change to the local A train uptown and get off at the Museum of Natural History stop
tour the museum until it closes and walk west across 81st [ which is the north side of the museum] 2 blocks to broadway, cross bwy and you will see an orange and white awning in front of you, underneath that awning is one of the greatest food stores in america; Zabars
if you're a foodie at all Zabars is heaven.
It is perfectly acceptable, indeed expected to ask a counterperson for a taste of something prior to buying it
of note almond croissants, smoked fish, bagels, rustic breads , cheeses a great take out counter and jams, coffees and mustards.
buy some things for your DC road trip
upstairs is high quality hard to find and a bit pricey cooking equipment.
dinner is at cafe napoli or pelligrinos in little italy
Take the # 1 train[ 79 th st ] down town
to 42 nd st / Times square change to the # 7 train to grand central and take the# 6 train to canal st & lafayette sts. Walk 1 block east to mulberry st and then north a block or two until you find your restaurant. watch out for imported bottled fizzy waters they tend to be expensive and NYC tap water is excellent and when you are offered a chef's special get the price before ordering it. as a rule NYC portions are large and splitting entrees is OK.
When you are sitting on Mulberry st having dinner think about the pictures you saw in Ellis Island about what mulberry st used to look like.
the 5 points of Gangs of NY fame are located about 1/2 mile south of where you are sitting.
finish dinner do not order dessert .walk around the neighborhood looking at and buying souveniers. walk over to Ferraras and have dessert.
hail a cab going downtown to the ferry and then back to your motel
by now you guys should be wiped out
Day 4 -somewhere in NJ to DC
the trip to DC should take you around 4-5 hrs depending upon weather and traffic you will need a full day and a half to see DC
in addition to the usual DC things a visit to the national cathederal in georgetown can be inspiring [ Woodrow Wilson is the only President buried in DC city limits. His crypt is on the main floor ]
i wish you had the time to go over to hampton roads/ new port news and then drive down cape hatteras past kill devil hills [of the Wright broters first flight fame ]
taking the ferry across haterras inlet and the one from ocracoke to the mainland- really nice drive - on a par with the drive from kanab to torrey in terms of beauty.
be careful and remember cruise control is great for small town driving.
BTW get in touch with the MTA[Metropolitan Transportation Authority ] in NYC for subway maps and same day multi- trip ticket info
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